I don't want to buy an interface so I was wondering if there's a way. I took a class once that used Logic and for that I needed a USB dongle that had a little input jack the size of a standard earbuds jack like on a phone or an iPod. Anyway, with that you would just plug your cable (two male ends, both the size of an earbuds jack) into the microphone port of the dongle. This was on a Macintosh.
Anyway, I'm on my Dell Latitude. I don't have a dongle, and while I do have access to a dongle (when I'm not on Spring Break that is...) I wonder if I can just skip the USB dongle and use the microphone port on my laptop.
What seems to be happening when I just plug in is it still hears me with the laptop's microphone even though my guitar is plugged into the mic port, such that what I end up recording is an unprocessed unamped electric guitar. It's not exactly what I was going for so far.
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Spendthrift2 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:05 pm I don't want to buy an interface so I was wondering if there's a way. There must be some way of disabling your laptop's built-in mike, check the control panel audio settings.
So if you're using a jack etc in your input port, you can record from that, and it will not or even be able to record from the mic at the same time, too...only the source you've set in audio prefs.
Fanu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:56 am If you're recording into Live, it's good to know that you can only record from one source. So if you're using a jack etc in your input port, you can record from that, and it will not or even be able to record from the mic at the same time, too...only the source you've set in audio prefs. thank you for the encouraging words. I fear that it can still hear my voice because I can see it register even with a jack plugged into the mic port on the side of my laptop, but I will try it out a little later and see how it turns out. Hopefully it will sound like an electric guitar!
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There is literally no way that the audio setup on your PC should automatically mix the built-in mike with whatever is plugged into the input jack. Check your audio control panel!!
Doghouse wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:10 pm What audio inputs does Live show as available? There is literally no way that the audio setup on your PC should automatically mix the built-in mike with whatever is plugged into the input jack. Check your audio control panel!! I am plugging the guitar into the microphone jack on the side of the laptop.
Doghouse wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:47 pm Does your control panel look anything like this? Unfortunately, I can't see the image you posted.
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Look again. You should be able to see two different input devices. You should also see these both as available in Ableton. Turn off the built in mike, use the input jack. Good luck.
Doghouse wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:50 pm Look again. You should be able to see two different input devices. You should also see these both as available in Ableton. Turn off the built in mike, use the input jack. Good luck. Thank youThe popularity of modular synth rigs has fuelled the desire for guitar pedals and that alluring hardware vibe. Martin Delaney outlines the why and how of connecting guitar pedals to your Ableton Live set-up. No guitar required! Guitar pedals are showing up in electronic music setups all over the place. While there’s a minimal beauty […]
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Guitar pedals are showing up in electronic music setups all over the place. While there’s a minimal beauty in the classic computer/controller/interface setup, there’s a glorious mad scientist kind of excitement to having synths, pedals and cables strewn across the table. It’s all about options. You don’t have to use it all, but it will expand your horizons. It’s also about fashion, as the use of guitar pedals with modular synth rigs is incredibly popular. Additionally, if you’re a guitarist or bassist as well as a producer, you must already have some pedals. So why not double-dip and use them with your synths too?
This tutorial applies to any recent version of Ableton Live, although Live 10 gives us the ability to name inputs and outputs – useful if you’re working with complex setups. You can test the principles discussed here with almost any audio interface.
Live’s External Audio Effect Device is what makes hardware connections easier and recallable. It means you only need to devote one track to the task, although if you want to record the input, you’ll still need another track for that. I’ve created External Audio Effect presets with routings for all my external synths, drum machines, and effects, and I have them in a folder in my browser, ready to load at any time. Start experimenting with a simple guitar pedal, which has a mono in/out arrangement.
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In my experience, distortion-type pedals don’t work so well in this position in a setup. They’re better in hardware rigs connected directly to a drum machine, for example. Most other types of effect will produce some kind of interesting result. I used a Boss Fender ’63 Reverb, and a Zoom MS-100BT, purely because they were close at hand. You can power most pedals from mains or a 9v battery. The latter keeps things portable and reduces the number of adaptors and cables involved, but I wouldn’t count on batteries for serious gigs.
It’s easy to get a cheap adaptor for a couple of pedals, and more expensive versions will power more devices, sometimes across a range of voltages and with cooling fans and surge protection. Connecting such pedals to the rest of your setup is mostly like using any other type of external effect – cables in and out to your interface, managing the levels with the knobs on the pedals and with the controls inside your live tracks and devices.
Getting the right levels with pedals is really important. With pedals, there’s more chance of noise being introduced to the chain, so add another pedal in the shape of a noise gate, or use something like Live’s built-in Gate effect. This can be automated through the song or performance. We can save routings to our pedals in rack presets, and include any plug-ins that we want too. Most pedals don’t have onboard presets, but Live does, so we can use the onboard effects and some automation trickery to keep things interesting and evolving.
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There are stereo pedals, such as the Eventide Factor range and the Boss 500 series. Factors and 500s are also MIDI-compatible, with presets, so there’s another level of complexity and sound design rewards, as you enjoy the lush stereo sounds and send MIDI to the devices to recall presets or to automate parameter changes, such as dry/wet mix for example. The Boss and Eventide pedals also have software editors, so you can manage and update them easily from the computer.
The world of pedals is diverse, so as well as these beautiful sounding and generally classy high-end units, there’s the cheap and the downright weird. Micro-sized pedals are popular, as they’re cheap and you can fit more on a pedalboard. They also include features for the imaginative user, like the Mooer Micro Groove Loop, which features preset beats, with a looper.
If you can manage using an audio interface with multiple inputs and outputs, I’d recommend it, as you can cable up several pedals at once, assign each to a different external effect device, then bring them in on separate tracks or mix and match by dropping the effects into the same track in various orders.
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1. We haven’t provided an example Live set this time round, because your routings and equipment will obviously be different from ours. Live 10 is recommended because it lets you name audio/MIDI inputs and outputs.
2. Apart from a computer running Live, you’ll definitely need an audio interface for this one. You can build a simple effect loop with just a two-in/two-out device, but more connections bring more flexibility.
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3. The key feature in Live that makes all of this work is the External Audio Effect Device, which is located under the Audio Effects category in the Browser. This will contain all routing and gain information.
4. By having ins/outs/gain contained in a single device, it means that you don’t need to configure the track using the In/Out View, and also that it can be saved as a
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